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all right here we go welcome to its uap

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studies podcast a very special guest

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today thomas winterton from skinwalker

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ranch uh he's the second time returning

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to the show so uh um joining me as usual

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is uh jason gilmatt my uh studious

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co-host how are you buddy oh i'm very

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good i like your your choice of words uh

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yeah very polite yeah it's uh it's a

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complimentary day today so everybody's

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everyone's gonna get pats on the back

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so um for those of you that don't know

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about skinwalker ranch we're gonna cover

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what it is um you know briefly some of

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the phenomenon that's happened there the

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the rise in popularity which has

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obviously led to the show um and thomas

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can kind of explain sort of what brought

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him to the ranch and uh the first couple

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seasons and now uh what we can expect

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from season three so welcome to show

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thomas welcome back

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hey great thanks uh it's great to be

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back awesome so tell us a little bit

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about yourself uh sort of before the

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ranch and uh what led to you uh you know

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going there in the first place and then

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you know leading up to your position

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that you hold now

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uh yeah so before the ranch i was just

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uh as general contractor in the state of

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utah um

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specialized in building high-end custom

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homes like commercials that kind of

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stuff

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then built a couple small boutique

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hotels uh two here in the basin and one

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up north dakota and um

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that's how i came to be on the ranch was

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uh my wife and i were actually running

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one of those hotels here in roosevelt

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when brandon purchased the ranch in

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2016.

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and that first week that he had it he

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sent his uh close confidante friend jim

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morse out to help start figuring out you

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know exactly what they got

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jim actually checked into my uh hotel

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we got visiting he found out i was a

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licensed general contractor asked me if

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i would like to come out and do a

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property inspection form

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uh being the famous skinwalker ranch

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that was mysterious nobody comes on

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nobody goes off

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you know it's it's been the

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source of legends around here in the

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basin for

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for decades now and so uh i got that

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invitation to come out and do a property

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inspection form and grab uh gladly

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accepted and

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went out and found that the ranch was in

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a pretty sad state of disrepair there

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were a lot of things that needed

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there were some that were very very

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urgent needed immediate attention uh the

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waste water system now the sewer was not

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working properly and we had some legal

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issues with the county and the easement

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that went through the middle of the

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so i helped brandon uh get those taken

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care of and fixed and brandon asked me

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if i would stay on and

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run the ranch seeing how i live here in

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roosevelt which is uh the closest

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city uh to the ranch and so

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been on helping ever since

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yeah and for those of us who don't uh or

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for those who haven't heard uh about

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sort of the ranch itself uh real quick

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so it's 480 acres it's in the uintah

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basin uh in utah uh purchased by a

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rancher family and in 1994 i believe it

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was uh they started having weird

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paranormal phenomena happen and things

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to kind of freak them out and two years

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later it was subsequently sold to robert

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and obviously bigelow aerospace so he's

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a big enough name in itself and uh he uh

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he was the first one to actually spend

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some money and try to do some research

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and figure out like what's actually

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going on with this place and all the

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weird phenomenon that's happening and as

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purchased by um brendan fugle in 2016 so

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the thing i find amazing about this

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ranch and again it predates this in

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legend too um the local native tribes

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believe that the land is cursed and the

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term skinwalker for them

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covers a large array of

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you know phenomenon whether it's lights

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or sightings or creatures or whatever it

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was all just chalked up to skinwalker um

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but some of the things that even our

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previous guest george knapp uh mentioned

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in his book skin work is the pentagon

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you know it's ufos

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there's been temperature drops reported

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phenomenon cattle mutilations uh even

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know the show that you're on um uh

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highlighted as well so maybe uh take us

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through season one of uh of that show

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with brendan fugle and yourself and

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travis taylor and all the rest of those

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we all at least all of our team came on

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as really healthy skeptics um

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we'd heard a lot of these stories you

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know many of the things you just

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mentioned and came on and

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really was just observing to see is

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there really anything strange going on

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uh i you know we all started having our

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own experiences there i i personally

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started having experiences there brandon

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uh in a group had their sightings there

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and so very quickly

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the question turned from is there

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wow there is something happening here

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you know what what do we do

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a lot of a lot of discussions about

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whether to to share with the public the

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things that we were witnessing whether

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we kept it private you know uh to this

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day we've still not received any data

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goes through with us and finally

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convinces brandon to to do

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a show and uh and so we started to

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the agreement really was is look we're

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going to do this but we're not casting

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like you're going to come and follow our

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investigation that means we're using our

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team members we're using

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you know we're not casting this and and

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it's a pretty big risk for the network

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are unknown i mean it's one thing to be

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carry a television show you know ratings

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ratings are the name of the game

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substantial risk there you don't know

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and uh they really wanted to have

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an additional scientist there uh that

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would translate right and so you have

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and travis i mean he he he flat out just

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told us straight up he thought we were

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see in season one we get travis out

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there and and immediately things start

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we end up triangulating uh i think big

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yes there are some things going on here

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that are strange and we we started to

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caught some things during the show that

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that indicated there may be something

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um we had triangulated some signals that

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had i had a scare where i started to

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see i get the seasons mixed up now i

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think it was season one when travis yeah

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equipment going off and see that was a

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big concern when we started this show

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everything is about liability i mean

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everybody's trying to cover their butts

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and so here we are touting how dangerous

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this ranch is and of course i've had

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this head injury almost cost me my life

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brought falltech out of uh idaho

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down they do a lot of testing

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for the military for the government

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they're experts in radiation and that

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kind of stuff so they came down did a

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sweep of the ranch

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and we got a clean bill of health right

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not a not a trace

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here comes travis and he's getting

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radiation burns and our equipment's just

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going crazy uh we had multiple meters

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indicating that there had been a high

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uh high dose of uh radiation

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where did it come from i mean we we

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swept the ranch so immediately you know

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we shut everything down we bring

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qualtech back down

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they go and they do a complete thorough

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uh search and analysis of the areas that

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that just knows that doesn't just come

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down and sweeps you know they just did

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their second sweep after travis gets

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radiated we bring him down they do the

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second sweep we're down there filming

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we can't find anything the cameras are

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of homestead too and he's all y'all i

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think i'm going bat [\h__\h] crazy and and

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really that was the highlight of season

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one for all of us was

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making a believer out of travis i mean

282
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him having his own experiences and we

283
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come into season two and and we start

284
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drilling down a little bit more

285
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uh we we did the big holes there

286
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in uh the triangle

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um

288
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again just had a lot of

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unexplainable things happen and uh you

290
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poured some water down

291
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an opening as well did you not and put

292
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some dye in it just to see where it

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would potentially be draining out if

294
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anywhere and the water just disappeared

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never never went anywhere right was

296
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never never found after the fact

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yeah so you know

298
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look we inherited a narrative so that's

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really what we got from the bigelow era

300
00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:07,680
we didn't get data we didn't get any

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details really we we inherited a

302
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narrative and part of this narrative

303
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that we received is that there's large

304
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caverns there's there's an underground

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base right there's tunnels inside the

306
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mesa there's a report that the mesa

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opened up and a craft flew into the mesa

308
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so

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we're looking all over the property

310
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trying to find these caverns these

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tunnels

312
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any type of evidence that would indicate

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that yes there's some type of cavernous

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void

315
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you know whether it's under the ranch or

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mesa

317
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and uh in in just my regular

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responsibilities one of the things i do

319
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is irrigate the ranch we have to water

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it to keep it green

321
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and uh there's there by homestead two

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uh between season one and scene two i'm

323
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i'm irrigating and and uh there's this

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pit off to the side of homestead two

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and it's filled with trees and brush and

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all kinds of stuff

327
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that makes it impossible to see just how

328
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deep this pit is

329
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well my thought was is that if i

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diverted there you know my

331
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irrigation canal ran right to the side

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of it and i thought well

333
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and i had a pretty good stream of water

334
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i thought well maybe if i just divert

335
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that in you know how fast it fills up

336
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will tell me how deep it is so i

337
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diverted the water

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and it took a long time to fill that up

339
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i forget now i've got it written down

340
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somewhere but i want to say it took like

341
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three hours to fill that thing up this

342
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is a pretty good stream of water yeah so

343
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i'm thinking okay so i cut the water off

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to it

345
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and within 15 minutes the water's out of

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sight

347
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which

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told me

349
00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:49,600
maybe it's not deep maybe the water is

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traveling somewhere i mean for the water

351
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disappear that quick and and the other

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thing

353
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important uh detail to note in this is

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right there in that area if you look all

355
00:13:01,350 --> 00:13:00,480
the way around the homestead there it's

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clay

357
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line our pawns and stuff play around

358
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here to keep the water from leaching

359
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down through so clay is not a good

360
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uh soil to be absorbing water so it had

361
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to be going somewhere

362
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and so

363
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uh as you saw on tv we

364
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we redid that exercise where um we

365
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diverted the water in there and we

366
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poured the dye in

367
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so that we could see where it was going

368
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and we watched matter of fact see that

369
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that dye glows with uh you can hit it

370
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with blacklight at night and it'll glow

371
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and so we poured it in there

372
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i think we put either 30 or 40 000

373
00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:43,360
gallons of water in there

374
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and that's a lot of water you know

375
00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:48,000
you know the funny thing this little bit

376
00:13:51,269 --> 00:13:49,680
of behind the scenes

377
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uh

378
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filming is such

379
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sometimes filming with science is

380
00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:57,600
frustrating uh i was gonna sell that

381
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yeah

382
00:14:06,629 --> 00:14:04,160
of filming and so we started that day

383
00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:06,639
that we started to fill that

384
00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:08,639
that the deal was is that the production

385
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everybody's going to be there and i

386
00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:12,880
don't quite remember what happened we

387
00:14:16,629 --> 00:14:14,880
started filling this pit

388
00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:16,639
and then all of a sudden we got the we

389
00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:18,639
got the signal like hey hang on there's

390
00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:21,120
a delay so we shut the water off

391
00:14:26,790 --> 00:14:23,440
so all that water disappeared

392
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:26,800
and and it was probably i mean we

393
00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:29,040
we'd filled up pretty good amounts and

394
00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:31,199
then we had to stop it right to wait for

395
00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:33,680
production so now we get film guys over

396
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:35,760
there and we start over again so what

397
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:37,920
you see on tv we already dumped a ton of

398
00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:41,600
water in there before we even got to

399
00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:45,040
the filming park right and so um we put

400
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,079
30 or 40 000 gallons down this hole

401
00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:49,920
we watched it for a couple weeks because

402
00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:51,600
we thought maybe there you know maybe it

403
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:55,040
would surface someplace even at night

404
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:57,040
after after we were done filming then a

405
00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:58,399
couple of us guys

406
00:15:01,990 --> 00:15:00,639
get on the utvs ride down through the

407
00:15:03,189 --> 00:15:02,000
there's a

408
00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:03,199
creek that runs through the middle of

409
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:05,519
the ranch we take the black lights down

410
00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:07,199
there we were scanning along the edges

411
00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:08,880
looking for traces

412
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,079
uh we have no idea where it went

413
00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:14,079
well yeah what what is it about the

414
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:15,680
disturbing the ground because i know in

415
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,959
season one

416
00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:18,240
you know when you were sort of

417
00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:19,920
introducing the ranch and the phenomenon

418
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:22,240
to everybody and i think it was dragon

419
00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,800
who was super against like digging we're

420
00:15:28,069 --> 00:15:26,639
not doing any digging you know the

421
00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:28,079
belief being that that's what kind of

422
00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:29,920
spooks on this phenomenon and makes

423
00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:31,839
things go nuts is when you start messing

424
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:33,759
with the ground so what was it about

425
00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:35,839
that maybe you could elaborate on that

426
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,800
uh you know the fear behind digging

427
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:40,639
there was there was a lot of different

428
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:42,240
fears and and

429
00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:43,440
um

430
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:44,639
so

431
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,720
we again going back to this narrative

432
00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:48,399
that we inherited it is one of the first

433
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:49,920
things that was told to me when i

434
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:52,639
started working on the ranch uh bigelow

435
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:54,800
security team they either use their own

436
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,639
vehicle to drive across the little road

437
00:15:59,509 --> 00:15:58,639
that crosses the ranch or they were on

438
00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:59,519
foot

439
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:01,360
and and that little road that crosses

440
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:03,279
the ranch just goes east to west but it

441
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:04,320
doesn't

442
00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:05,519
i mean it kind of takes you through the

443
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:07,279
middle of a property

444
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,639
so if we wanted to traverse the the

445
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:11,680
property

446
00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:15,279
it was either by foot or i mean we got

447
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:18,399
utvs but we the brush was so thick and

448
00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:21,120
and so one of the first things that um i

449
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:22,959
decided when brandon turned the place

450
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:25,759
over to me and speaking with eric and

451
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:28,240
and dragon was we need a way to be able

452
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:29,839
to get these utvs around the perimeter

453
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:32,800
of the property it's it's hard to secure

454
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:34,800
512 acres

455
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:38,720
on foot and so um i went to i went to

456
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:42,000
town starting to blaze the roads and my

457
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,519
intention was to build a road around the

458
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:45,600
entire perimeter so we could get the

459
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,639
utvs around quickly and

460
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,240
you know i was just on the very

461
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:51,680
beginning stages of that when i got

462
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:53,759
pulled aside um

463
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:56,079
and told hey

464
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,480
just so you know you know the bigelow

465
00:17:01,670 --> 00:17:00,560
the scientists they actually didn't say

466
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:01,680
scientists they just said the people

467
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:04,799
from the bigelow era said that um bad

468
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:06,720
things happen when you dig that there

469
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,720
shouldn't be any digging

470
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:10,799
and of course my first reaction is

471
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:12,559
that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard

472
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,839
like

473
00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:16,079
naturally

474
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,919
ranch i mean that's what we do we dig

475
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:19,679
ditches i'm looking around i'm seeing

476
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,480
the ditches obviously the ranch house

477
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:24,000
has a basement

478
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:25,600
i mean there's all kinds of signs of

479
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,400
digging on the place right

480
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:30,720
and so i just shrugged it off that's

481
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,520
absurd and i went about my business

482
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:35,200
building these roads

483
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:36,400
and

484
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:39,440
i had so many things happen

485
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:42,000
to both myself and the equipment in the

486
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:43,840
process of building those roads i'll

487
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:45,200
tell you right now

488
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,480
uh there's a there's a specific section

489
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:51,280
of ranch that i have not finished yet

490
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:52,320
uh

491
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:53,360
my

492
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,840
which would ran i mean it was basically

493
00:18:02,390 --> 00:17:59,120
brand new when i took it out to the

494
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,400
ranch i had 400 hours on it

495
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:04,799
um when i took it out there so anybody

496
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:07,760
else equipment knows it was a case for

497
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:10,400
a case 440 skid steer

498
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:11,600
and uh

499
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:14,400
400 hours on it so i mean it's basically

500
00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:15,840
brand new

501
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:16,960
and

502
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:19,520
just from the things that happened to it

503
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:22,720
there on the ranch within within

504
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:25,120
what is it two years

505
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:27,520
the thing that it shot a rock rod

506
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:30,080
straight out the side of the motor and

507
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:32,320
like i maintain my equipment

508
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:37,029
there are just so many things i'll give

509
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,880
you an example one day i did a pretty

510
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,039
deep cut going down into the creek on

511
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,640
the south side of the ranch

512
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:44,640
and the next morning when i come to get

513
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,720
in my skid steer to start working

514
00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:48,559
batteries were dead

515
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,120
well that's we we have battery loss all

516
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:52,640
the time out there

517
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,799
so i got my tr i had a diesel pickup of

518
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,120
the time you know heavy duty batteries

519
00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:59,039
and i had the great big industrial heavy

520
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,760
duty jumper cables put it on there i've

521
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,280
had dead battery on that skid steer

522
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,280
before i forgot to turn the key off and

523
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:07,200
it would run dead well the key wasn't

524
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,679
turned off so whatever ran dead

525
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:11,280
didn't come from me leaving the key

526
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,559
turned on

527
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,559
put the jumper cables on go to start

528
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,720
truck or go to start it and it won't

529
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:18,320
even click

530
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,760
like i mean

531
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,960
it's almost as if i'm not making

532
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,559
connections so i sit there and fiddle

533
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:24,640
around for 30 minutes trying to get

534
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:26,960
these jumper cables finally i go over to

535
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:29,360
the the command center and grab the

536
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,559
uh got a big commercial um

537
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:35,280
battery jumper there like that you know

538
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:41,029
and uh this is the kind you plug into

539
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:42,240
the wall

540
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,679
and uh

541
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:45,600
you know i i put it on the engine starts

542
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,039
like 225 amps or whatever to start it so

543
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:50,880
i left the jumper cables on from my

544
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,799
truck and i put the thing on the the

545
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,559
charger cables on it

546
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,640
and it's still nothing i mean i couldn't

547
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,799
get it to register so i ended what i

548
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,480
ended up doing is i took the batteries

549
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,039
out took them in got got them replaced

550
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:07,039
brought them out and it fired right up

551
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,960
so whatever drain those batteries drain

552
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:11,120
them to a point that they couldn't be

553
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,120
uh they couldn't be

554
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,880
maybe flatlined basically you can't

555
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:16,559
charge them up again

556
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,320
yep they were ruined

557
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:20,720
how often does your cell phone go out as

558
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,600
well

559
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,960
like how often do you get those

560
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:24,559
occurrences

561
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,679
that that happens a lot and it happens

562
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:29,919
you know season one and two i'll tell

563
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,320
you right now uh

564
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,080
i'm i'm trying to think if there was

565
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,080
ever an exception to this

566
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,919
um you know a lot of these a lot of

567
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,320
these companies we bringing on these

568
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,159
experts

569
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,159
i mean this this is really a huge

570
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:46,000
opportunity for them to showcase their

571
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:47,440
company and what they do i mean they're

572
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,400
on international television and so a lot

573
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,960
of them are very excited to be there

574
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,520
to come to to be able to showcase their

575
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,360
company and what they're doing and they

576
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,640
don't want to come and look like a bunch

577
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,720
of idiots and so

578
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,880
you know these people come on they're

579
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,360
well prepared and it's funny because

580
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,159
every time uh for example the gpr people

581
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,480
i remember

582
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,840
zach and

583
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,640
phil they come out to do gpr

584
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,880
and they pull their equipment out and we

585
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,200
go to turn it on and the battery's dead

586
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,600
and and phil was so

587
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,000
so flustered by that he's like i had i

588
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,000
charged these overnight they were full

589
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:27,679
when we left the hotel in vernal this

590
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,799
morning you know the vernals 15 minute

591
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,960
20 minutes away from their ranch

592
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,559
and uh

593
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:35,679
and you can just see they're so

594
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,240
perplexed and and i'm trying to think if

595
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,559
we ever had a contractor that came on

596
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,720
that didn't have battery failures at

597
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,039
some point during their time there the

598
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,360
the cell phone batteries like that is a

599
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,919
common occurrence of all the time who

600
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,760
was the one guy on the show where not

601
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:53,840
only was his phone going nuts it was

602
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,200
unlocking his iphone and opening up like

603
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,799
every single app on the phone at the

604
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,640
exact same time and it was literally

605
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,440
just like his phone had gone insane and

606
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:05,760
i think travis had first noticed it and

607
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,559
um

608
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:07,919
i don't i can't recall the gentleman's

609
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,559
name but caleb caleb yeah

610
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,480
like more than just dying battery it was

611
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,320
like typing weird things it was pulling

612
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,880
up searches on his uh safari it was

613
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:18,799
scrolling through all of his apps

614
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,159
literally it wasn't it was going nuts

615
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,880
yeah and and you know caleb got a lot of

616
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,480
crap about that because he had a cracked

617
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:28,000
screen on that phone

618
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,880
um

619
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,880
but the whole point of that was is that

620
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,400
yes you're right there are some times

621
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,559
when that phone turned itself on

622
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:37,360
bypassed his security his keypad

623
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,480
security

624
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,000
and went in and started going through

625
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,320
the apps he's had that phone calling

626
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,360
making phone calls dialing 9-1-1

627
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,480
um

628
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,480
doing all kinds of crazy things and and

629
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,480
i i tell people you know what if that's

630
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,559
all i got to do to bypass somebody's

631
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:54,080
security on their phone has cracked the

632
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:55,120
screen

633
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,480
then uh that's a pretty lousy software

634
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:00,640
right i you know i'm positive that the

635
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,240
apple phone is is not built for that so

636
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:06,640
and there's a one time uh i believe it

637
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,200
was when the cow died

638
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,200
there's a time when both my phone and

639
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,720
his phone were doing the same thing at

640
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,360
the same time and we had both phones up

641
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,840
and they were both going crazy so and

642
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,240
and and i'm an android guy so i i think

643
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,799
at the time i had an htc phone and he

644
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,960
had his iphone and they're both going

645
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,400
crazy

646
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,000
android is the way to go i'm just going

647
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,559
to say it i'm not a knife i'm a fan

648
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,640
definitely a fan

649
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,400
i've tried i've tried to tried with

650
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,880
apple i'm sorry i'm an android guy as

651
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,360
far as like the animal mutilations it

652
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,679
seems like it quieted down a bit on the

653
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,799
ranch

654
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,279
uh but how often do you guys get those

655
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,960
cases i mean you know a season was it

656
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,880
season two that there was a i believe so

657
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,440
yeah it was a uap or some type of weird

658
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,600
orb caught and next thing you know the

659
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,440
animals are frightened as hell they all

660
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,600
take off and then you know subsequently

661
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,200
when they checked it out they find this

662
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,679
dead cow yeah i don't know what cows did

663
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:03,039
to

664
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,960
leave the cows alone just leave the cows

665
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,559
alone they have rights

666
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,440
um

667
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:15,120
no your thoughts on that thomas what do

668
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,320
you think about the whole cattle

669
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,240
mutilation thing is that related

670
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,320
unrelated i mean it's it happens in many

671
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,400
places so it's not just isolated to the

672
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,159
ranch but do you have any thoughts on

673
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,480
that phenomenon

674
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,919
um

675
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,200
you know it's interesting that

676
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,320
particular cow that died on season one

677
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,200
um we had we did a neocropsy on it that

678
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,320
said it died from um rapid onset acute

679
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:40,080
pneumonia i believe

680
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,279
um

681
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:42,640
which there's something that stressed

682
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,080
the animals that caused that rapid uh

683
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,159
pneumonia to come on the interesting

684
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,400
thing is is that um

685
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,880
nothing touched that cow for a year now

686
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:54,000
i will tell you

687
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,799
that

688
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:56,559
um

689
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,279
we

690
00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:00,480
down there

691
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,600
uh

692
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,120
i want to say it was the first summer

693
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,640
that i was there working i was there on

694
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,360
my skid steer scared out a mountain lion

695
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,720
mountain lion jumped out on the trail

696
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,919
right in front of me and took off um

697
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,440
three years ago when we were gathering

698
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,200
the cows up to get them off the ranch

699
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:17,760
there was bear tracks and bear scat down

700
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,480
there in the in the trees so we got a

701
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,240
lot of predators out there not to

702
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,159
mention you know we got a lot of tribal

703
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:26,720
dogs that are running around out there

704
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,159
a lot of predators and and so when these

705
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,000
there there's animals that have died on

706
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:34,080
the ranch and

707
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,200
um

708
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,200
or we're in surrounding properties

709
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,960
around us and

710
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,480
they're picked over

711
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,880
i'm i've seen i saw one animal after the

712
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,960
cow died i saw one animal that got

713
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,720
picked over was gone in in under two

714
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,600
days

715
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:50,720
okay so here's this cow that dies

716
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,840
not a single predator no birds no

717
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,240
coyotes nothing touched this thing it

718
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,159
was still intact and perfect a year

719
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,840
later so we bring

720
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,240
dr taylor out from uh

721
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,919
he's with the

722
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,520
state of utah

723
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,279
and uh

724
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,000
he they that we actually sawed off a leg

725
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,760
and they sent it into the lab they're

726
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,600
actually under the pres they told us

727
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,840
they didn't think it died from pneumonia

728
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,440
which is interesting

729
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,880
um so

730
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:20,159
you know i don't know what to think

731
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,760
although i will tell you that

732
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,720
since

733
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,480
that aired

734
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,039
i've had a number of ranchers come

735
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,120
forward and share with me

736
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,240
both pictures and experiences uh matter

737
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,799
of fact just a month ago i had a very

738
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,440
uh well-respected grounded individual

739
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,360
who has a ranch

740
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,400
uh it's north of skinwalker ranch but

741
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,559
uh he he was telling me about two calves

742
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,400
of his that were mutilated

743
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,039
and uh the sex organs were gone the eye

744
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,799
facing the sky you know all the telltale

745
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:52,960
things you hear from mutilations

746
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,080
uh and and he he didn't want me to

747
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,120
tell anybody his name or share that but

748
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,200
um you get people to

749
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,799
you get people's confidence and then

750
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,960
they start sharing things with you

751
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:07,440
and it i think it happens a lot more

752
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:08,240
than

753
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,159
it's a worldwide phenomenon for sure

754
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,320
because it happens in every country and

755
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,799
even here in canada we found bison

756
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,039
in the same state as

757
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,960
some of the horses and cows found in

758
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,640
other places but

759
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,640
seems like skinwalker ranch and that

760
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,880
whole area tends to have a lot more

761
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,200
mutilation cases than uh

762
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:30,640
than up here but we have them

763
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,840
occasionally there was even one that

764
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,559
took place in alberta back in 2004 or

765
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,760
something like that

766
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,919
and the couple that were you know

767
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,760
interviewed said flat out we think it's

768
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,679
aliens like if you saw the way that this

769
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,600
thing was on the ground

770
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,960
there's no way a human could have done

771
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,640
this there's no way an animal could have

772
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,840
done this it's it has to be so

773
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,919
again we have to link mutilations

774
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,240
abductions and all that with uaps but

775
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,039
that comes over with time i think

776
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,880
once people can accept one they're going

777
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,399
to be able to accept the other stuff as

778
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:03,360
well right not just cows too though i

779
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,399
remember when we were speaking with

780
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,840
george knapp and he was talking about

781
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,919
the rancher family that used to own it

782
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,080
and they heard their dogs take off after

783
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,080
some strange phenomenon and they heard

784
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,919
crazy yelp sounds and they went out and

785
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,520
these dogs were like

786
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,679
vaporized into the dirt right there was

787
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:19,360
just literally an outline of where these

788
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,440
dogs once were so and it wasn't a a case

789
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,919
of removing a parts or anything but some

790
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,080
force or some type of energy literally

791
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:31,120
squished these dogs into nothingness on

792
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:32,240
the ranch

793
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,960
so

794
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,039
you know try figuring out what could

795
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,960
possibly do something like that and you

796
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,799
know if something's going after a cow

797
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,399
there's a predatory response you would

798
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,880
think but domestic dogs you know unless

799
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,720
it's something massive but then there

800
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,640
would be predation like you said right

801
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,000
so

802
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,440
well and i i actually had an individual

803
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:53,440
i've had too many individuals and and

804
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,480
that's a good thing for them because

805
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,159
mostly people always start off by

806
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,240
telling me you tell anybody i said this

807
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,919
i'll call you a liar like they don't

808
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:01,360
want people to know that these things

809
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:02,720
have happened to them

810
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,679
um and and i hope that that stigma with

811
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,960
everything that's going on with

812
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,720
congressional hearings and the world

813
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,480
we're living in right now i hope that

814
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,320
that stigma is following where people

815
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:14,000
feel more comfortable to to share these

816
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,039
things but

817
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,799
i had um

818
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:19,039
some individuals and i want to say i

819
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,399
can't remember if it was caleb that was

820
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:22,240
showing me the pictures may have been

821
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,360
caleb

822
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:25,520
but maybe i i forget but

823
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,399
um

824
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,039
deer and elk that have been mutilated

825
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,840
that that hunters or people uh hikers

826
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:33,840
are finding up in the forest

827
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,080
that are mutilated in a way that again

828
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:40,000
defies what you would find with

829
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,120
predators

830
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,840
an elk that's cut cleanly in half and

831
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:46,000
and the halfs are separated

832
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,880
um

833
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:48,080
so

834
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,279
you know it

835
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:51,200
and if if it's happening to deer and elk

836
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,640
i mean there's a chance that you'd never

837
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,559
even have a

838
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:56,240
clue how many of those are happening

839
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,200
because

840
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,279
you know predators will clean those up

841
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,679
right we i think we've been so long not

842
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,919
linking or putting the links together

843
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,120
you know we used to think that the

844
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:07,279
mutilation cases were something that was

845
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,320
apart

846
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,679
but now we're starting to understand

847
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,440
actually no there's whenever there's uap

848
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,159
activity tends to be mutilation cases

849
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,039
that follow shortly afterwards right

850
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,200
even the black helicopters that we've

851
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,039
i've heard quite a bit about it had a

852
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,880
few guests on there talking about how

853
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,120
they have black helicopters almost

854
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,720
scouting the

855
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,640
farm before the mutilation actually

856
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,720
happens so just weird things like that

857
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,840
that you hear

858
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,760
occasionally you're kind of like yeah it

859
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,760
is a weird phenomenon but it is linked

860
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,159
with the uap unfortunately the the two

861
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,399
are linked at this point i still think

862
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,760
we were talking about i don't know if

863
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,000
you know much about the dialotov's past

864
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,480
is how you pronounce it love pass yeah

865
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,919
lost past let me get it right one of

866
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,279
these times now i'm gonna get it right

867
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,279
eventually i butcher names but uh we we

868
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,960
tend to think that's the same thing as a

869
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,640
cattle mutilation except this time it

870
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,840
was humans that got caught in the

871
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,159
crossfire because the way those people

872
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,320
were found is very similar to some of

873
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,640
the stuff that happens to these cows so

874
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,159
yeah this is uh definitely an

875
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,760
interesting case for sure

876
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,600
as far as um you were mentioning that

877
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,919
you had dynamics on the show that are

878
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,840
kind of hard because you're trying to do

879
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,840
science and experiments

880
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:15,840
while trying to film a show and i've

881
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,279
been on just a documentary recently and

882
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,880
i thought you know the whole process of

883
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,039
it is hard enough with the camera

884
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,720
setting and you got to be at a certain

885
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:26,480
angle and you know they got to capture

886
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,360
things

887
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,799
when you're trying to do a scientific

888
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,240
experiment like that though and you got

889
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,080
to work with the production like you

890
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,320
mentioned it's a nightmare what was your

891
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:36,080
worst like what was the the biggest

892
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,760
hurdle for you uh doing this

893
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,080
well i want to be careful about saying

894
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,480
nightmare because uh i have to say we

895
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,240
work with the group of professionals

896
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,279
that are just top shelf i mean

897
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,159
uh i can't i can't speak enough to the

898
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,840
quality of individuals that prometheus

899
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,519
has put out there with us

900
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,159
and just a high level professionalism so

901
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,799
i appreciate them and

902
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,279
it's a nightmare in the fact that

903
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,760
science and tv just don't mesh well when

904
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,760
you're trying to you know what i mean

905
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,080
like and i'll give you a perfect example

906
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:12,720
uh one of the things that we observe all

907
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,840
the time is these rf

908
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,960
signals

909
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,039
well the problem is

910
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,960
is each one of us is wearing a

911
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,720
microphone pack

912
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:23,679
that is

913
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:27,679
transmitting our audio to the audio bag

914
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,120
each camera is also transmitting both

915
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,519
audio and video back to their little

916
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:34,880
monitors

917
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,559
we're broadcasting a lot of rf ourselves

918
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:40,320
so

919
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:41,360
when

920
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:45,760
isolate these rf signals

921
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,399
and you're creating so much noise in

922
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:50,880
your with just your equipment

923
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,679
it makes it really hard to ascertain

924
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:56,559
what is us and what is

925
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:59,200
the ranch right and and so there are

926
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,320
times

927
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,080
where we'll start seeing something and

928
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,480
we make we're like okay

929
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,559
you guys got to take everything down

930
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,760
there have been a couple times where

931
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,360
like you have to shut everything off

932
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,039
we're turning our microphones off turn

933
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,039
the cameras off everything's got to go

934
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,760
down and the compromise there is is if

935
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,360
we find something

936
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,080
then we get we get to figure out what we

937
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,919
need to figure out with it because

938
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,360
um

939
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:26,480
so and then we'll bring the cameras back

940
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,360
up

941
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:29,279
and we'll go through what just happened

942
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:30,159
and

943
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,200
you know

944
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,799
and do it again

945
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,760
but

946
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,600
there's sometimes where we have to have

947
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,200
equipment go down because we're creating

948
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,799
so much noise

949
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,519
that it's almost impossible to get

950
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,360
through that and so those are the kind

951
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,600
of things like that

952
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,159
that you don't see and and prometheus

953
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,440
and i don't know how it is on other

954
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:51,360
production companies i've never been on

955
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,399
other

956
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:54,720
film shoots

957
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,679
but they have this fourth wall that they

958
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,840
call it and that is the invisible wall

959
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,159
between us and production

960
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,840
like they don't exist

961
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,200
okay and

962
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,320
sometimes it's frustrating because

963
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,679
i i mean

964
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:11,359
i think one of the biggest criticisms i

965
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,720
see repeatedly on social media is well

966
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,879
that drone's not connecting and yet the

967
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,200
television network drone was working

968
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,560
just fine

969
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,359
and and my answer to that is

970
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,520
i mean it's pretty simple first of all

971
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,560
um

972
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,320
that is one of the things that makes the

973
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,040
ranch special is that we witness so many

974
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,200
times when things are targeted we can

975
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,359
have a group of people standing in a

976
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,599
tight circle one person in the middle

977
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,520
can be affected while the rest of

978
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:41,919
everybody else is fine we can we can

979
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:42,639
have

980
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,520
six

981
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,280
cell phones sitting there on the table

982
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,679
and one cell phone specifically will

983
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,639
react

984
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,480
so there are times when it's very

985
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,399
targeted but there's other times where

986
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,960
the production has a hell of a time with

987
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,399
their own equipment

988
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,480
i i've lost track of the number of

989
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,240
drones that production has crashed out

990
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,640
there oh

991
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,839
not by lack of i mean our drone operator

992
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,240
is this guy

993
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,960
he that guy could

994
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,560
all he needs is a half inch clearance on

995
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,839
both sides and that guy can get it

996
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,400
through i mean he's just a pro but we we

997
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,880
had one drone just sitting there flying

998
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,560
um we were down on the south end of the

999
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,240
ranch we're all standing there and it's

1000
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,400
like all of a sudden this thing just

1001
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,960
tipped and went right at i forget which

1002
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,119
one of the production guys

1003
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,040
and almost hit him and then plowed in

1004
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,240
the dirt and was destroyed um

1005
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,800
and so we do have production does have a

1006
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,640
lot of problems with their their cameras

1007
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,320
their batteries their batteries are

1008
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,520
going dead all the time just like ours

1009
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,119
so we're all struggling and it's

1010
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,800
sometimes it's frustrating for us as a

1011
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,800
team because we're like this is all part

1012
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:50,400
of the science whether you guys like it

1013
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,359
or not

1014
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,800
you're part of it

1015
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,720
the second you enter on the ranch and

1016
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,640
stuff starts happening to you

1017
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:58,640
you're part of the science your your

1018
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,599
data point and yet we can't

1019
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,200
up to this point we really haven't

1020
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,680
acknowledged that that's taking place

1021
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,200
as far as the

1022
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,720
i was going to say as far as i just said

1023
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,800
for effect um i know that you've had a

1024
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,480
bit of of that

1025
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,040
uh i know george knapp's had it and

1026
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,599
colin keller mentioned it as well but

1027
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,160
does the production crew at all

1028
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:22,000
experience any of those effects as well

1029
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,359
like have you heard any stories from the

1030
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,880
production crew about the hitchhiker

1031
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,720
effect

1032
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,440
that's a great question um

1033
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,800
i do have something i could add to that

1034
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,079
because when we chatted with colin

1035
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,920
kelleher who's the co-author of that

1036
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,680
book skinwalkers at the pentagon with

1037
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:38,640
george knapp he had said um that there

1038
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,480
was a

1039
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,680
biotechnologist again this is pre

1040
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,359
brendan fugle days but they had a

1041
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,920
biotech guy who was out there and uh he

1042
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,520
wind up taking home an event where he

1043
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,119
was driving with his daughters in the

1044
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,000
car and they had like orbs

1045
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,160
penetrating the car these blue lights

1046
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,480
and uh people had like physical

1047
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,960
illnesses as a result um so there have

1048
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,280
been other scientists and now back in

1049
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,800
the day when bigelow owned it they had

1050
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,720
different intelligence agencies that had

1051
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,800
people that were there and all i think

1052
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,320
there was five of them and all five

1053
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,480
reported that they took home strange

1054
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,599
phenomenon george knapp said uh and it

1055
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,280
was almost like an intimate detail he

1056
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,880
said look at my wife had some weird

1057
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,640
stuff happen i don't want to get into

1058
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,079
the nitty-gritty like even he didn't

1059
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,079
want to talk about the specifics but you

1060
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,599
know big name guys that have written

1061
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:25,440
books about it or spent a lot of time

1062
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,160
there

1063
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,400
pretty well everybody has reported that

1064
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,800
something has come home with them right

1065
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,880
so i'm sure there's got to be

1066
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,800
you know so we have a couple

1067
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,240
we have a couple team members that

1068
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,680
haven't

1069
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:39,839
to this point knock on wood had it

1070
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,640
follow him home

1071
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,240
you know i don't know why

1072
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,160
um i was just thinking you know the

1073
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:47,599
reason why i say i'm not the best person

1074
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,720
to ask is

1075
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,400
uh look i'm i'm good friends with the

1076
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,760
production guys you work around each

1077
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,960
other that much you could be friends but

1078
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:54,960
i'm not a big

1079
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,480
reaching out and asking and and there's

1080
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,480
just not a lot of interaction outside of

1081
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,560
filming between me and them

1082
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,480
um you know maybe some of the other guys

1083
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,800
that are better at getting i i will say

1084
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,599
that

1085
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:11,200
uh and like there's not a lot i can say

1086
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,320
here because

1087
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,240
i have to honor my nda with production

1088
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,079
company and and i haven't gotten

1089
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,400
permission to to speak about this but i

1090
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:20,960
do know that like there have been crew

1091
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,920
members um

1092
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:25,200
that

1093
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,079
i

1094
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,520
had some

1095
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:32,160
experiences with things um i'm just

1096
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,760
gonna leave it at that but

1097
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,839
um does that include people on the show

1098
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,520
with you like people that we see on

1099
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,800
television or are we just talking about

1100
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,920
production

1101
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,839
well no i mean

1102
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,000
look um

1103
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:46,480
we call bro we call uh dragon you know

1104
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,160
he's our our ufo repellent our our

1105
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,240
paranormal repellent because

1106
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,000
he seems to like not have anything

1107
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,400
happen to him right knock on wood i'm

1108
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,280
not wishing it pawning um but i know the

1109
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,359
rest of the team members

1110
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,520
uh to my knowledge all the rest of us

1111
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,359
have had experience

1112
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,280
scary experiences

1113
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,680
uh serious things i'll tell you the last

1114
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:11,040
two weeks

1115
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,160
um

1116
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,680
the last two weeks

1117
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,079
have been extremely scary for me and my

1118
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,240
family we had a we had a night a week

1119
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,920
and a half ago

1120
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,920
where we were literally

1121
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,880
just

1122
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,119
all sitting there in my bedroom

1123
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:28,560
and it was not

1124
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,599
we were what we were awoken

1125
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,040
uh

1126
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,400
just right before 1 a.m and

1127
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:39,040
some pretty terrifying things taking

1128
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,720
place and uh and it just continued uh

1129
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,560
started that night and it continued

1130
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,400
through and continued through and

1131
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,829
things that

1132
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:53,760
are hard to get your mind wrapped around

1133
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,480
my my poor kids you know they we just

1134
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:58,079
start getting that stuff in the back

1135
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,599
rearview mirror and then something else

1136
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,760
happens and it's it's pretty traumatic

1137
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,800
so

1138
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:05,359
um and and look um

1139
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,960
we're trying to document this stuff um

1140
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,400
matter of fact we just we just launched

1141
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,760
our new website uh

1142
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,640
skinwalkerdashranch.com

1143
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,520
and we've got uh the skinwalker ranch

1144
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:18,720
insider

1145
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,680
uh uh where you can you can sign up and

1146
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,319
uh we're trying to document this stuff

1147
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,480
that's going to be our outlet

1148
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,880
uh for these things that are happening

1149
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,640
when we're not filming

1150
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,800
um you know the investigation once

1151
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,720
cameras go down we're done filming the

1152
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,880
investigation continues the ranch

1153
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,119
doesn't take a break

1154
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,599
and so some of these things that are

1155
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,920
happening uh we've we've got the last

1156
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,839
month's been very very active i don't

1157
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,960
know why

1158
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,800
but a lot of things and and the

1159
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,599
hitchhiker being one of those and i know

1160
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,040
speaking to some of the team members i'm

1161
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,400
not the only one that has been

1162
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,560
experiencing that stuff so right so

1163
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,240
what's going on with the season three

1164
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,240
this year can you give us a teaser or

1165
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,680
anything that's already been aired that

1166
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,280
you're safe to talk about what can we

1167
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,319
look forward to uh anything that's

1168
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,640
anything that's been on tv is fair game

1169
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,480
so if you guys have questions about

1170
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,400
things you've already seen i'm happy to

1171
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,240
answer about that um

1172
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:15,680
i think

1173
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,800
i'll give you a teaser for this week um

1174
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,119
i haven't i have this year is different

1175
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,200
so the last couple years i've i've

1176
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,200
cheated and i've watched the episodes

1177
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:27,680
before they aired um i was able to see

1178
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,400
them

1179
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,359
and so i knew it was coming up this year

1180
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,599
the only thing i've seen is the previews

1181
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,839
like everybody else yeah so i haven't

1182
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,160
seen i haven't seen any of the episodes

1183
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,599
i'm watching them for the first time

1184
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,280
with everybody else at home

1185
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,760
and uh based on the previews that i'm

1186
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,599
watching for this week

1187
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,960
uh

1188
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:49,280
i've gotten a few questions on podcasts

1189
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,800
last little bit like what's the most

1190
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,160
disturbing thing that's happened to you

1191
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,760
on skinwalker ranch

1192
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,640
and

1193
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,119
i've had to tell the last couple well i

1194
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,800
can't talk about it it hasn't aired on

1195
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,720
tv yet um

1196
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,200
so the most disturbing thing that i

1197
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:05,359
witnessed on the ranch this year i

1198
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,960
believe is gonna be on this next episode

1199
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:10,079
um

1200
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,630
i mean it was eerie when it happened

1201
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,800
but the implications of what it could

1202
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:21,599
mean

1203
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:24,400
are are absolutely frightening

1204
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,520
and terrifying and so uh

1205
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,280
that's that's coming up this week i

1206
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,440
believe um it was probably one of the

1207
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,280
craziest

1208
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:35,280
uh

1209
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,480
craziest

1210
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,319
experiments that we've done

1211
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:40,880
and uh so i'm really excited for that to

1212
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,760
air the bottle drop i mean that right

1213
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,000
out of the gate that was really strange

1214
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:49,670
we

1215
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,319
he put so

1216
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,240
many i mean

1217
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:59,200
tens and tens and tens of hours into

1218
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,079
uh

1219
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,480
testing each one of those gps units him

1220
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,000
and i took those units and actually

1221
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,240
literally walked down the uh to give you

1222
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,119
an idea he kept the little base receiver

1223
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,760
that they were reporting to

1224
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,920
so these gps units they have a scandal

1225
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:15,920
or you put a memory card into them they

1226
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,560
data log onto the card but they also

1227
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,440
have a transmitter receiver so they can

1228
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,400
be transmitting real time and we left

1229
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,800
the receiver at the command center and

1230
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:28,880
we went and walked around along the

1231
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,790
the mesa out on the edge of it so that

1232
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,880
we could overlay it on the map

1233
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,880
and see just how accurate the

1234
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,400
information was getting

1235
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,240
we went and did that with all the

1236
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,079
receivers eric had all the receivers

1237
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:46,079
laid out in a box we walked along the

1238
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,119
mesa

1239
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:48,640
perfect data

1240
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:52,319
and we we tested them multiple times so

1241
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,119
then

1242
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,160
comes the day with the the experiment

1243
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,880
and we we drop these bottles out and

1244
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,200
first of all they take off the receiver

1245
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:03,599
stop transmitting

1246
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,720
so we are we're getting no real time and

1247
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,640
and our only hopes of salvaging this is

1248
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,839
be able to reach

1249
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,680
retrieve the gps sensors and get the

1250
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,359
memory disk out and then we at least

1251
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,880
still have the data logged

1252
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,960
and we we didn't we only found half of

1253
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:18,000
them

1254
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,880
um

1255
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,880
and the crazy thing is is they dropped

1256
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,119
all of these out from the same location

1257
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,200
and yet we were finding bottles as far

1258
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,680
as a quarter to half a mile north

1259
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,240
and i want to say three quarters to a

1260
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,240
mile to the south

1261
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,720
so that is the distance apart that we're

1262
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,560
finding these bottles

1263
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,800
uh we we found them clear

1264
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:40,000
uh

1265
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,119
hun

1266
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,359
100 200 yards

1267
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,839
south of the creek down there on the on

1268
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,920
the eastern part of the ranch

1269
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,200
so

1270
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,359
how those ended up that way with just a

1271
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,359
slight little breeze i don't know

1272
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,880
yeah we only

1273
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,200
but then you guys saw the data gps

1274
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,200
diving into the hill as if the

1275
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,960
helicopter crashed in

1276
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,400
um

1277
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:05,359
you know we're we like i say we only

1278
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,640
recovered half

1279
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,960
so what's your favorite

1280
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:10,720
experimentation that you guys have done

1281
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:14,160
so far like what's your favorite one

1282
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,280
uh

1283
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:17,599
favorite is in data gleaned or favored

1284
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,119
as in uh fun to do just the fun one to

1285
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,800
do just there's got to be one in there

1286
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,280
that lisa's oh really eh yeah

1287
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,680
yeah i mean yeah especially season two

1288
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,839
those rockets that we blasted off i mean

1289
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:32,400
some of those were like 12 foot tall

1290
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,440
um

1291
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,440
and it was like an amateur rocket club

1292
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:37,040
or something wasn't it like an advanced

1293
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:38,000
level

1294
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,599
was it a company that had those things

1295
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,640
or were they just like crazy hobbyists

1296
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,119
no these these guys are professionals

1297
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,440
i'm gonna get their name wrong and i

1298
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,960
i apologize to them right now it's

1299
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,520
either lock precision or precision lock

1300
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,160
okay um but that's what they do and and

1301
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,839
they build these for people

1302
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:57,920
and they've been absolutely great they

1303
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,510
yeah season two they came out and helped

1304
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,119
us blast off those

1305
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,440
those big ones and i mean

1306
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,640
uh

1307
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,240
that's a lot of fun

1308
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,760
it's probably as close as i'll get to

1309
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,520
watching the space shuttle launches ever

1310
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,680
but i mean it's it's impressive it's a

1311
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,119
lot of fun you guys were trying to get

1312
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,800
the data as you mentioned earlier you

1313
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,040
know that triangulation where so many

1314
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:23,040
feet off the ground that's where weird

1315
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,560
phenomenon seems to happen that's where

1316
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:25,920
you pick up the gamma rays and stuff

1317
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,800
like that so was the intent to measure

1318
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,960
at a higher altitude or was the intent

1319
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,040
to try to cause something spooky to

1320
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,280
happen by shooting stuff up through that

1321
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:37,920
vortex zone

1322
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,240
well yeah i mean there is that there is

1323
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,760
that line of thought that by shooting

1324
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,920
the rocket off we're going to stimulate

1325
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,359
something right

1326
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,000
um the bigger the bigger rockets though

1327
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,400
was one we could get a bigger payload on

1328
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,280
it so we can add more instrumentation um

1329
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,280
the other thing that we're looking at is

1330
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,880
getting higher and trying to get more

1331
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,040
dwell time up high

1332
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,119
and and see it coming down like that

1333
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,119
last rocket we blasted off i think went

1334
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:05,119
up 13 000 feet

1335
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,240
and so

1336
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,400
the whole idea of getting more hang time

1337
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,119
up in the air uh

1338
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,880
that was one thing that we were trying

1339
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,640
to accomplish with the with the bigger

1340
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,480
rockets

1341
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,480
the question this elusive

1342
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,160
yeah space

1343
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,000
question on the uh on the side because

1344
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,520
i've always wondered when people show up

1345
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,160
because people are all different but you

1346
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,680
have a lot of people that show up on the

1347
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,200
on the ranch some of them might be more

1348
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,200
spiritual than others have you found

1349
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,880
that the spiritual people have more of

1350
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,359
an effect on the ranch or walk away with

1351
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,880
more of an effect or is it even the

1352
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,680
skeptics that walk away with a profound

1353
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:41,839
change in the way that they are once

1354
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,230
um

1355
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,829
up

1356
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,680
until there's an asterisk next to this

1357
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:56,079
and this would be uh i believe

1358
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,440
last episode when we had uapx out and

1359
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,240
jason we had to put jason in the silo

1360
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:04,480
um i didn't see that episode i'm sorry i

1361
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,680
missed that one oh okay

1362
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,839
um yeah so

1363
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,440
like i don't know what his attitude was

1364
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,480
coming on branch so i can't speak to him

1365
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,720
but you know in this whole process one

1366
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:18,480
thing we're trying to identify is

1367
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,680
patterns

1368
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,680
what you know it's happening when it's

1369
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:23,839
cold was it hot is it when it's a full

1370
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,800
moon no moon this is a calendar day like

1371
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,559
what is it right

1372
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:30,800
and we've we've had a hard time

1373
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,680
identifying any patterns

1374
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,680
there's there's a couple small minor

1375
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,680
ones and one of them is is that we look

1376
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,160
at the individuals who have been injured

1377
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:41,520
on the ranch

1378
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,720
and

1379
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,240
like again

1380
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,880
without speaking jason i i not sure what

1381
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,640
his mindset was when he came on the

1382
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,079
ranch but

1383
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,240
the rest of us

1384
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,760
um

1385
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,160
it almost seems like the more

1386
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:57,680
belligerent

1387
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,839
blizzard is probably not the right word

1388
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,440
skeptical um

1389
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:06,000
that you come on the ranch the more

1390
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,000
negative effect it has on you okay um if

1391
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:12,720
it's underestimated get get surprised

1392
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,680
the most

1393
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,119
we get humbled

1394
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,200
yep and the people that come on with a

1395
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,839
level of respect and a lever a level of

1396
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,960
reverence

1397
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:23,280
um they seem to be okay

1398
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,319
and

1399
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,240
uh you know i don't know how

1400
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,839
how like

1401
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:30,240
hard that is as far as a pattern but we

1402
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,440
look at the individuals that have been

1403
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,599
hurt and as we start looking at the ones

1404
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:35,200
that have suffered the most severe

1405
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,400
injuries

1406
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,079
we were the ones that came on and were

1407
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,680
like oh that's stupid but there's

1408
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,520
nothing here that's going to hurt me i

1409
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,280
i'll throw myself in that right there i

1410
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,760
mean i had that attitude

1411
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:48,079
you know this is stupid don't bother me

1412
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,040
with it

1413
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,119
and uh and i and i got humbled really

1414
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,640
quick and i've watched other individuals

1415
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,119
with that same attitude that had an

1416
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,960
individual

1417
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,480
i don't know

1418
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,040
a year ago nine months ago

1419
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:02,800
uh had that attitude

1420
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,920
and had a severe medical episode

1421
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,079
and uh i yeah i thought that dude was

1422
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,319
having like cardiac arrest

1423
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,599
um

1424
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,800
started

1425
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,800
his face flushed up completely red he

1426
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,119
started pouring sweat like this this is

1427
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,280
in a matter of seconds

1428
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,119
starts sweating grasping his chest

1429
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,960
having a hard time breathing i thought

1430
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,839
that dude was having a full-on heart

1431
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,680
attack got him off the ranch

1432
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,480
and within but like i was rushing him

1433
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,640
straight to the hospital by the time we

1434
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,119
got to the fort duchesne grocery store

1435
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,720
he was sitting back up he's like i'm not

1436
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:38,079
going to the hospital i don't want to go

1437
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,280
to the hospital

1438
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,400
and uh

1439
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:43,040
and wouldn't let me take him and and

1440
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,319
you know

1441
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:46,880
but but again his whole attitude was

1442
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,319
there's nothing here this is all yes and

1443
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,559
right and uh so you approach it with

1444
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:55,119
that yeah you got to prove something to

1445
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,270
yeah and you know it's tough because uh

1446
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,640
there's things that have to take place

1447
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,880
on this ranch you know we for example

1448
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,280
when we did the wastewater permit well i

1449
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,760
have to get a contractor you know the tr

1450
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,440
the health department requires me to get

1451
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,720
a licensed

1452
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,960
uh a contractor that's licensed to put

1453
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,920
that in

1454
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,960
so

1455
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,440
uh it's hard to say tell the contractor

1456
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:20,960
well you can't bring that employee or

1457
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,400
that employee on you have to you know

1458
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,920
you have to let these people do their

1459
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:27,040
work so

1460
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,640
same with uh we've got the right of way

1461
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,559
for the canal going through there i have

1462
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,359
zero say in who the canal company brings

1463
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,119
on that ranch to go clean out the

1464
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,839
ditches or do that maintain the canal i

1465
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,079
i don't get to say in that so you see

1466
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,760
some of these the best we can do is

1467
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,760
accompany them right right and so we get

1468
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,520
some of these individuals on there for

1469
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:48,000
which we we really have no legal control

1470
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,839
over

1471
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,839
that and and and you start seeing these

1472
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,680
things happen and i i just don't know

1473
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,119
how to stress more to people like you've

1474
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,280
got to come on with a level of respect

1475
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,839
and reverence i know it sounds corny

1476
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:01,920
but from what we've seen that's one of

1477
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,200
the few things we can say uh that if you

1478
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,960
if you come on with a level of respect

1479
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:09,119
and reverence you're much

1480
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:10,559
the odds say you're going to be much

1481
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,839
more likely to come off in

1482
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,280
good shape

1483
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,000
approach it with uh respect and nothing

1484
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,920
will happen to you type thing

1485
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,839
do you guys have a lot of issues with

1486
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,839
fans trying to find the ranch and trying

1487
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:25,440
to come onto the ranch because i figured

1488
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,309
it was getting i mean that it was an

1489
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,720
issue before the show i mean it was an

1490
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:36,960
issue before we went worldwide and then

1491
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,520
we went worldwide and it became a

1492
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,599
massive issue right um

1493
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:44,079
i mean dragon caleb and the security

1494
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,040
team

1495
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:47,680
uh have their work cut out for them i

1496
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,480
will say though um i'm gonna put a plug

1497
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,240
in for these guys live view technologies

1498
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,079
that brought out these sophisticated

1499
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,200
camera systems that you saw on uh

1500
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,480
episode one this year

1501
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:02,800
that has that has cut down on our

1502
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,400
problems by like 95 i can't even i can't

1503
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,480
even begin to tell you

1504
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:11,040
just what those units have done so a

1505
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,400
huge shout out for live view

1506
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,200
technologies for for their equipment

1507
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,359
it's been a game changer

1508
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,440
i mean they're highly sophisticated and

1509
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,280
it's also given us a lot more control

1510
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:22,800
over trying to

1511
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,119
you can't physically cover 512 acres

1512
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,079
easily and so we've had to rely on both

1513
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,280
manpower and on technology and live view

1514
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,079
bringing us out those units has been

1515
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,000
night and day difference yeah not to

1516
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,400
mention the liability issues of people

1517
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,559
on your land right like if anything

1518
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:42,400
happens to them you can get sued like i

1519
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,839
don't know if it's the same as

1520
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,760
it isn't a state citizen canada but you

1521
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,440
could get sued for practically anything

1522
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:49,680
so uh somebody's on your land to get

1523
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,480
injured that's a liability right

1524
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,640
true story yep

1525
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:56,319
perfect uh before we close louie do you

1526
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,000
have any final questions for a guest no

1527
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,839
i just want to say that uh um it was

1528
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,680
really awesome having you on the show uh

1529
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,839
i'm a huge personal fan of not only the

1530
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:05,920
phenomenon the ranch but the show itself

1531
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:08,240
i think you guys do a really good job it

1532
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,240
doesn't as you mentioned you don't cast

1533
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,559
the show so there's no actors and even

1534
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,319
though some of that footage is captured

1535
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,480
after the phenomenon it still has a

1536
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,720
genuine feel to it uh it feels like you

1537
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,040
guys treat it with a level of sincerity

1538
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,720
you're not trying to make a joke of it

1539
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,559
or a horror movie out of it you know you

1540
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,200
have that scientific mind and the ranch

1541
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,559
is weird enough that it's giving you

1542
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,240
what you're looking for so

1543
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,000
season one and two was great beginning

1544
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,839
of season three is awesome

1545
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,119
and we look forward to seeing the rest

1546
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,880
of it so just want to say on behalf of

1547
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,720
jason myself thanks very much thomas for

1548
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,799
coming on our show again

1549
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:42,400
hey it's been great to visit with you